Police power to stop vehicles for others
A police road check in action |
Last night I caught part of a BBC3 TV programme that
focused on different aspects of parking from one man who hangs about outside
his house with binoculars trained on anybody daring to park on “my” road to
bailiffs engaged in stopping motorists who had outstanding parking fines and
seizing their vehicles. It was the
bailiffs that interested me the most.
First, I should say that bailiffs do not have the power
to stop traffic, only the police can do that and, sure enough, there were
police officers conducting the stops to allow the bailiffs to carry out their
work. My first thought was that surely
the police have better ways to spend their limited resources than helping
private companies enforce civil debts (parking tickets were decriminalised a
long time ago). Then I got to wondering
how the police could have the power to stop somebody for such a reason.
There are a variety of powers that allow the police to
stop a motor vehicle but the one that seems the most relevant is section 163(1)
Road Traffic Act 1988, which reads:
“A
person driving a motor vehicle on a road must stop the vehicle on being
required to do so by a constable in uniform”
It is a criminal offence under s. 163(3) for a person to
fail to comply.
The rule seems pretty clear: a police officer in uniform
can stop any car they fancy whenever they like.
That would be absurd. For
example, a PC angry that his wife had left him for another man could use this
power to lawfully stop her new lover.
Clearly, an unrestricted and unfettered power would be wrong. In the case of R v Waterfield [1963] 3 All ER 659, the court held that section 163
does not permit the police to stop a vehicle for an improper purpose. This line of reasoning was followed a decade
later in Hoffman v Thomas [1974] RTR
182 in which the court held that a constable must be acting in execution of his
duty for a stop under what is now section 163 to be lawful.
The issue in Hoffman
was whether a police constable had power to require a motorist to stop and at a
census point. The court in that case
found that assisting in the conduct of a census was not part of the police
officer’s duty, which at common law is to protect life and property and, as
such, the constable was not acting in the execution of his duty and so the
motorist was not guilty.
Later cases have expanded on these themes such as to
allow a lawful breath test to be conducting notwithstanding the unlawfulness of
the stop. It was also suggested that
random stops are perfectly lawful in that they give a police officer an
opportunity to form a view on whether somebody has been drink driving etc. However, it is important to note that these
would likely be reasons that fall within the execution of his duty.
We must now ask ourselves what it means for a constable
to be acting in the execution of his duty?
In Hoffman the court decided
that a police officer’s duty is the preservation of life and property. Now, I do not know how much consideration the
court gave to that definition but, I believe it is broadly accurate, if
somewhat old fashioned.
The Association of Chief Police Officers in what their
call their “Peelian Principles” states that, “The basic mission for which the
police exist is to prevent crime and disorder. (http://www.acpo.police.uk/documents/reports/2012/201210PolicingintheUKFinal.pdf) I would add to that “detect and investigate
crime” as well, but that could arguably be included in the word “prevent”. That seems like a pretty good mission
statement for any police force so we can infer that the duty of a police
officer is to prevent crime and disorder.
Is assisting a private, for profit, company to collect
civil debts acting in the execution of a police constable’s duty? I think that the answer has to be “sometimes”. Where bailiffs are collecting goods from an
address the police may be asked to attend where the bailiff believes that an
offence may occur if the police are not present. Fair enough.
So, what would happen if bailiffs attempted to flag down passing cars
from the side of the road without the police being present? Most likely is that the cars would continue
driving past. Would an offence be
committed? I don’t see why an offence is
any more likely in that situation than any other.
If a police constable stops vehicles simply to allow a
private company to collect civil debts does that prevent crime and
disorder? I would suggest that it does
not. Therefore, I believe we can say
with some certainty that a stop under s. 163 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 would
not be lawful in such circumstances.
Which leads me back to my original questions: don’t
senior police officers have anything better to do than send their officers out
working as debt collectors?
I'm a shires police officer and watched that programme last night. I must admit I thought exactly the same thing in relation to the RTA power.
ReplyDeleteI was also thinking that several of the unfortunates who were stopped should then not got out of their cars, ignored the bailiffs completely, established that the police constables who stopped them had no further issues to discuss and driven away. I'm sure the producers did cut out footage of the police doing standard DL/insurance/wanted persons checks as this wasn't an episode of Traffic Cops after all but those take minutes and the police had visibly backed away by the time the aired footage was being recorded.
I also found it pretty disconcerting to see the bloke in the awful baseball cap get into a loud but totally inoffensive argument with the lady bailiff, who gave as good as she got back, only to see the police officer present step in on her side by warning him about his behaviour.
We police know that drivers with outstanding debts are often the ones that have warrants and drive uninsured cars etc.
ReplyDeleteNot defending these road-checks but that is why the senior officers like us doing them
Jaded
It is precisely this sort of attitude from from you police that alienates the public.
DeleteYou are there to protect and serve the public and not to keep the local council happy by assisting with collecting their ill gotten gains you pig headed prick !!
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
DeleteArresting wanted people and catching uninsured drivers is protecting and serving.
Nice to know that you speak for the whole public as well.Or just the criminal elements?
Jaded
"Protect and serve" is the LAPD chap. Trust me, you'd rather us than them.
DeleteSeems pretty reasonable
DeleteSo presumably if I wanted help collecting a private debt from someone, the police would also assist me in stopping the driver's vehicle and detaining him at the roadside?
DeleteThe programme was on again last night.
ReplyDeleteSame scenario with Police and Bailiffs.
If they had been stopped by the Police for an offence (perhaps no tax, insurance or Mot), why were they allowed to drive on after paying the Bailiffs?
Its no surprise that some on here are supporting those who fail to pay their fines.. Law abiding people suffer because of the illegal actions of others.
ReplyDeleteBringing back the stocks wouldn't be a bad idea for the abusive comment above. He/she needs his/her mouth washing out with carbolic soap.
Spot on 0646.
DeleteDon't forget the writer of this blog is a defence lawyer so he gets to hear the bleating of criminals all the time and rarely hears the victims like I do.
Jaded
Since when has not paying a parking ticket been a criminal offence ??
DeleteThat is what this discussion was about was it not - the civil not criminal offence of failing to pay a poxy parking fine and then muppet Police officers being manipulated by a team of greedy bailiffs.
An just why did your fellow boys in blue request that their identities be hidden in the TV programme?
Just what are they frightened of ?
It can't be that they're afraid of being beaten up by some enraged TV viewer who comes after them late at night, I mean they carry a truncheon, a tazer, pepper spray and they wear a stab vest
If they are doing everything by the book then why have their faces pixellated out ( that's another word for blurred, just in case you had never heard the term before )
Oh sorry I forgot that your'e a copper which means you are absolutely guaranteed to be less intelligent than the average person so you wouldn't really know the difference between a criminal offence and a civil matter would you ?
Ahhhh well you can't help it can you !!!
Since when has failing to pay a parking fine been a criminal offence ??
DeleteParking tickets are not fines in the sense of being a sentence imposed for the commission of a criminal act. They are a civil penalty imposed by the local authority or owner of the land.
Delete"The rule seems pretty clear: a police officer in uniform can stop any car they fancy whenever they like. That would be absurd. For example, a PC angry that his wife had left him for another man could use this power to lawfully stop her new lover."
ReplyDeleteRead Private Eye. Luton police have been harassing a forensic scientists ever since she broke up with her policeman boyfriend.
Surprised she hasn't made a complaint to the Chief Constable or IPCC.
DeleteKimpatsu is a well-known buffoon who lurks on blogs like these to post his anti-police nonsense.
DeleteA police officer in uniform can stop any vehicle under the Road Traffic Act,it's not absurd.As for your example-i'm sure it may have happened once but let's not pretend it happens all the time.
As for the other idiot above-some officers do get their faces blurred.Perhaps they don't want to be identified by undesirables like you when off duty.The won't be carrying their tazer (rare at the moment) truncheon etc etc then.I am of below average intelligence but even I could work that one out.
Jaded
it is illegal for police to assist in a bailiffs duty. the police are only there to maintain the peace. This is clearly written down some where in UK legislation. If you get stopped ask the police officer why they stopped you. If no offence has been committed drive off, they have now power to stop you unless you have breached the peace. If the bailiff then tries to enter your car, both the police office and the bailiff have committed and offence.
ReplyDeleteIf for what ever reason the you get out of your car and the bailiff enters your car (illegally that is and you want to wind them up) you can say it is a tool of the trade and you need it for work. There is a limit on how much the car is worth, then even if it is a tool of the trade they can take it. You do not have to provide proof that it is a tool of the trade its up to the bailiff to prove it is not, which the wont. They will also have to prove your car is worth more than the threshold , as they know nothing of the history of the car good look to them.
Remember at any point you can drive off the police cant stop you. If the bailiff stands in front of the car preventing you driving off they committing an offence by blocking the highway.
Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007 2 (2)
ReplyDeleteOnly an enforcement agent may take control of goods and sell them under an enforcement power.
Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007 31 (5)
The power to use force does not include power to use force against persons, except to the extent that regulations provide that it does.
Traffic Management Act 2004 83 (5)
A person who is not a certificated bailiff but who purports to levy a distress as such a bailiff, and any person authorising him to levy it, shall be deemed to have committed a trespass.
The Taking Control of Goods Regulations 2013 4 (1) (a)
items or equipment (for example, tools, books, telephones, computer equipment and vehicles) which are necessary for use personally by the debtor in the debtor’s employment, business, trade, profession, study or education, except that in any case the aggregate value of the items or equipment to which this exemption is applied shall not exceed £1,350;
See Schedule 7 s99(5) Courts Act 2003
ReplyDeleteThere is no section 99(5) of the Courts Act 2003. Section 99 only has two sub-sections.
DeleteSchedule 7 appears to deal with High Court writs of execution and about warrants issued in connection with the compulsory acquisition of land. I don't get the impression that is what was happening in the film
Isn't the Devil in the detail when it comes to matters of Law?
ReplyDeleteThe definition of the word "driver" in the Blacks Law Dictionary is a person operating a vehicle for commerce. So if your not operating a vehicle in a commercial capacity, you are a traveller. You are by law allowed to travel unmolested. Is there any president made in court using this argument?
Blacks is obviously more thorough than my Osborn's as mine doesn't define driver.
DeleteI think the problem you'll have with that argument is that Black's definition isn't even a proper definition of the word in the English language. When courts do refer to dictionaries they tend to go to ones like the Oxford English Dictionary rather than law dictionaries who create their definitions by interpreting the law.
In this case, I would suggest that Blacks has got the law completely wrong in their definition of "driver" if that is all it says. Wilkinsons Road Traffic Law takes 12 and a bit A4 pages (may be more in the book - I'm working from a PDF copy) to define the word "driver". Nowhere does it limit the definition to those carrying out a commercial purpose.